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the environmental impact is a show in itself. we are going right on down that road. this is the next big story that has to be uncovered. what is happening to our environment and the gulf. brent coon, appreciate your help telling the story. that's "the ed show." i'm ed schultz. "politics nation" starts now. good evening, rev. >> good evening, ed. thanks to you for tuning in. tonight's lead, president obama tells republicans to drop the excuses. it's now been over one year since the senate passed a sweeping immigration bill to secure the borders and create a pathway to citizenship. in typical fashion, speaker boehner and the house gop have done nothing about it. today, president obama said he's acting on his own in a powerful
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and very tough speech at the white house, he went right after speaker boehner's leadership. >> they have proven again and again that they are unwilling to stand up to the tea party in order to do es what's best for the country. and the worst part is a bunch of them know better. the failure of house republicans to pass a darn bill is bad for our security, our economy and our future. the only thing i can't do is stand by and do nothing while waiting for them to get their act together. if house republicans are concerned about me taking too many executive actions, the best solution to that is passing bills. pass a bill. solve a problem. don't just say no. so while i will continue to push house republicans to drop the excuses and act, i hope their constituents will, too.
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america cannot wait forever for them to act. today i'm beginning a new effort to fix as much of the immigration system as i can on my own, without congress. >> today the president announced he's moving immigration enforcement assetses to the border and asking top officials for more executive actions. he blasted the gop for blaif blaming inaction on rapidly unfolding humanitarian condoleezza rices on the border. with tens of thousands of unaccompanied children. >> some in the house republican caucus are using the situation with unaccompanied children as the newest excuse to do nothing. i want everybody to think about that. the argument seems to be that
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because the system is broken, we shouldn't make an effort to if fix it. it makes no sense. it's not on the level. understand, by the way, for the most part this is not a situation are where the children are slipping through. they are being apprehended but the problem is our system is so broken, so unclear that folks don't know what the rules are are are. >> the president spoke passionately about hosting military families at the upcoming white house july 4th barbecue. and made a striking and poetic request for change. >> some are unique. they signed up to serve, to sacrifice. potentially to give their lives
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for the security of the country even though they weren't yet americans. that's how much they love this country. they were prepared to fight and die for an america they didn't yet fully belong to. i think they have earned their stripes in more ways than one. that's why friday morning we'll naturalize them in a ceremony at the white house. this independence day will be their first day as american citizens. one of the things we celebrate on friday. one of the things that make this is country great is we are a nation of immigrants. our people come from every corner of the globe. that makes us special. that makes us unique. wave after wave with are from everywhere understanding there is something about this place.
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energy would come together and create something new. we won this country's freedom together. we built this country together. we defended this country together. it makes us special. it makes us strong. it makes us americans. >> it's a vision of an inclusive america. a nation of immigrants. but apparently speaker boehner has a different vision. today senate majority leader harry reid said boehner's failure of leadership is enormous. yes, it is enormous. the president sent a strong message today. he won't sit back. he's ready to take action on his own. joining me now are victoria
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dier soto. >> thanks, rev. >> immigration is the remaining piece to president obama's agenda. he was very tough on boehnerer and the gop today. was anything that particularly about his tone? >> one word, frustration. it was incredible frustration at the stalemate. . he has not just been trying to get immigration reform passed in the last year. he's been trying to get it passed for the past five or six years. it's been 30 years since any substantial immigration reform has taken place. we are long overdue. the other piece of the frustration has to do with the republican party because a big chunk of the republican party wants to get imare immigration reform through. it's one small part of the party that won't budge. you have the bibles, badges and business coalition that says we
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have a broken system. something needs to be done. the majority of the american public wants something done. you have all of the voices calling for something to be done and this recalcitrant thumbing their nose. >> the president is taking action today. he's had to take action in the past around federal employees, minimum wage, gay rights. what can he do here? when hess's taking action, what can he do with such a dysfunctional congress? >> he's going to do what he can. hes has broad latitude in terms of how he enforces the immigration rules and who he doe delaware ports and doesn't, as we have seen. he's used some of the leeway he has to keep children born in this country to allow them to stay. that's one piece he's done. he asked secretary jay johnson
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to look into what else could be done on this front. one interesting thing in the timing and frustration here. the president has been getting beaten up by both sides. immigration reform activist who is called him the deporter in chief and certainly by if you believes. he's gone back to the well again and again with john boehner trying to give him time aing, okay, if you need to get through august, fine. if you need to get through the primaries, fine. after eric cantor's stunning primary defeat in virginia it seems like he finally said, okay, there is no way the republicans are will do anything. he say it is american people and their elected officials don't trust him to enforce the law as written. until that changes it's going to be difficult to make progress on this issue. that's really absurd. it's an excuse not to take
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action on anything at all. whether it's immigration reform or anything else. >> you know, i think of congress a lot like i think of students in my class. most are great. then you have slackers that don't do anything. the congress isn't doing anything. then they get angry when the professor and the executive wants to do something. it's especially galling because the president has been tough on immigration as krystal pointed out, many called him the deporter in chief. he said, i will uphold the law. we can come together and pass immigration reform. the president held up his end of the bargain. congress has been missing in action. >> you know, i want to stay on this congress for a minute. the president called on congress to take action on a range of issues. >> mm-hmm. >> saying he'd rather sign bills into law than take executive action. listen to what he said.
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>> that's true about immigration. it's true about the minimum wage, true about equal pay. there are a bunch of things where i would prefer congress do something. i take executive action only when we have a serious problem, a serious issue and congress chooses to do nothing. >>. isn't the historic dysfunction of this congress the real issue here? >> it absolutely is the real issue. the president also pointed out in the speech that john boehner could bring immigration reform to the house floor today. it would pass with a coalition of democrats and republicans. there is nothing standing in the way of progress except john boehnerer's cowardice to stand up to his caucus and a part of the republican party that
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blocked congress on minimum wage, unemployment insurance. all of the issues, obstructionist congress is the bottom line. >> victoria are and krystal, ng thank you for your time. >> thank you. >> thanks, rev. >> watch krystal on the cycle on msnbc. coming up, is a corporation a person after all? the supreme court made a ruling on a company's religious beliefs that we have never seen before. plus, disturbing questions about the parents of the georgia toddler who died in a hot car. and arizona outrage. new dash cam video shows a police altercation with someone stopped for jaywalking. >> stop fighting me and put your hand -- >> stop touching me. stop! >> put your hands behind your
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geico. fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more. jesse? mitt romney said corporations are people. and today the supreme court said corporations have the religious freedoms of people, too. today these five conservative justices, all men, ruled that a private corporation are can deny birth control coverage to women employees solely because of the company's religious beliefs.
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the lobby lobby corporation claimed the affordable care act violated the freedom of religion and, believe it or not, the court agrees saying the corporations's religious beliefs trump the human rights of the employees. but in the blistering dissent, justice ginsburg called out her five mail colleagues for the startling breadth of their decision. she criticized the havoc of the court's ruling and said the court had ventured into a minefield. outside the courthouse, protesters responded to the ruli ruling. [ chanting ] >> ho, ho, hey, hey, birth control is here to stay. >> >> i'm lucky to be under my insurance plan. if in the future i'm employed by hobby lobby, i don't think it is
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their right i can't access certain legal, fda approved birth control based on their opinions. >> today's ruling opens the door to other corporations challenging laws they don't like by claiming the laws violate their religious freedoms. joining me now are jeff rosen of the national constitution center and jess mcintosh of emily's list. thank you for being here. >> nice to be here. >> jeff, what's your response to the ruling? >> as you know, justice ginsburg stalled it startling and said it could open the flood gates to allow religious corporations to refuse to pay taxes, refuse vaccinations for employees, refuse to participate in stem cell tests. she was very concerned that this would allow people to opt out of lawsá:÷j prohibiting racial discrimination, discrimination against gays and lesbians on religious grounds.
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the majority disagreed. they said the caseses are different. we are keeping this to closely held corporations. he dismissed the concerns. the truth is we the don't know how broad it is. even the walmart corporation could be called closely held if it is family held. even large corporations whose owners have religious beliefs could try to impose those beliefs on employees. >> let me push a little. justice ginsburg warned that today's ruling could open the door to religious exemptions. things like blood transfusions if your company is owned by jehovah's witness, anti-depressants if they are scientologists, anesthesia, intravenous fluids and pills coated with gelatin which can also be derived from pigs and may be offensive to muslims,
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jews and hindus. various religious may object to vaccinations. will we see more lawsuits from corporations over their religious freedoms? >> there is no doubt we will see more lawsuits. that's one thing we can predict. we already have. there was a photographer who didn't want to photograph a gay wedding because of her religious beliefs. the imprecision will be great news for lawyers and not necessarily for individual liberty. the justice had responses and said vaccination is different because it is a public health concern. what was fascinating is justice ginsburg said your right to object stops my fist basically. p if it's going to harm me you can't impose this. the justice said it is a tough question whether if someone aids and abets an act someone else thinks is religiously amoral
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that's okay. but the court shouldn't second guess it. the practical effect of the decision, as you suggest, will be a lot of litigation, uncertainty. it could lead to wholesale attack on compliance with neutral laws on the basis of religious objection. >> jess, there was widespread support for the companies providing contraception. 57% of people believe privately owned corporations should provide insurance that includes contraception. it affects a lot of women. 88% of women in this country have used birth control pills or iud. what is the politics of this. >> 88%, you don't see that consensus around baseball and apple pie today. to get to numbers that high, you're talking about women from all walks of life.
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all political parties and all religions. birth control is a popular thing and a noncontroversial thing. this didn't happen in a vacuum. it's a long line to restrict access to birth control in every level of government as they get access to. they have gone more specific than that. the amendment from a year ago said employers could not cover birth control if they didn't like the reason an employee was taking it. this is part a concert ed effor. at historic highs because of the numbers you put on the screen. this means a lot to a lot of women. >> this court has made a lot of heavy decisions. i mean, voting rights, health
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care. this court has really gotten into certain areas and seems by many of us that consider ourselves progressive to inch backwards in terms of rights, whether it's societying rights, religious rights, rights of people to be protected against states combined here. >> it's certainly true as you said that there are 5-4 decisions in all those areas which concerns people t. the court issued a serious of unanimous decisions last week including a great one protecting cell phone privacy saying the police can't search cell phones on arrest. it's kind of a mixed bag. this was the term the liberals and conservatives con vernaled to protect digital privacy to have good effects for nsa but it ended on a stark flarm divide
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with five conservatives against four liberals defending the rights of corporations. the religious liberty and free speech of corporations over individuals. amazing turn. this battle will start up again next year. >> jeff, i have to go here. do you have any fear that the target here is really roe v. wade and we are on our way to walk toward that and having this court deal with this? >> absolutely. like are i said, this decision wasn't in a vacuum. it was part of a concerted effort to restrict access to birth control. part of that is a longstanding effort to repeal row v. wade. unfortunately for them it's popular. 7 of 10 americans want it exactly as it is. they have to find the marginal places. employers who might be run by religious people. see if they can get in that way. folks are onto this. you cited the majority of women
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wanting to have contraceptive coverage even if the employer has a religious exemptions. women are onto it, listening to this. women have a clear contrast this year in the midterms. we'll see them come out in november. >> jeff, are we looking at a review of roe versus wade and a reversal? >>justice kennedy has made it clear he'll uphold lots of things including partial birth abortions and the latest contraception. he won't give up the core protection that women can choose early in pregnancy. that's why so much is at stake. one vote changes on the supreme court. roe is over turned. >> elections matter. >> the elections are really going to matter. we were reminded of that today. jeff rosen and jess mcintosh,
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thank you for your time. >> thanks for having are me, rev. >> thank you, reverend. still ahead, accusations of police brutality after a college professor gets stopped for jaywalking. it's in tonight's justice files. also the gop's war on unions. today's other big supreme court ruling. just the latest attack for democrats to fight back.
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the other major ruling from the supreme court today marks the latest attempt from the right to weakenen the power of unions. in a 5-4 decision, the court decided to let some public workers opt out of paying union fees. the conservative justices ruled that illinois home health care aids are only, "partial public employees" and don't have to join or contribute to the union that represents them. it may leave the door open to future challenges.
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this decision and others like it are completely political. they are all about gutting unions, which are crucial supporters of democratic candidates and politics. from citizens united to the union busting laws we have seen from the gop, the right is doing what it can to attack labor and is taking a toll. in 2010, for example, these ten organization thes spent the most of all outside groups on campaign contributions. three of them were unions. by 2012 when citizens united had taken full effect, none of the top ten spenders were unions. it's a stunning reversal. and it leaves the big question how do unions strike back? joining me now is randy winegarden of the american federation of teacherers and joan walsh, editor at large for salon.com. thank you for being here.
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>> thanks for joining us. >> what's your reaction to the day's ruling? >> today, workerses took it on the chin again from what i'm starting to call supreme court, inc. the majority of the supreme court has expanded corporate rights and corporate interests at the expense of workers. this one is cynical. these are the lowest wage workers who do god's work in terms of helping the most frail and vulnerable. they have had a union for ten years that raised their wanls from $6 to $13. what happened is the anti-union interests have just tried to crash and burn their union. >> that's important. the union helped raise their wages from $6 to $13 an hour. and yet they are saying, but you don't have to support the union that has effectively changed your income, and you benefitted from it. >> exactly right.
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essentially when you look at the case, what this case does is say these workers who had no power on their own create add unit. the majority voted for the unit. they are trying to actually get a better piece of the american pie through being collectively organized. >> when you wrote that the ruling amounts to the court picking the 1% over workers. let me read a quote which i found interest aring that you wrote. the home health care workers affected by the decision are disproportionately low paid women. disability rights groups along with advocates for the elderly supported the union arguing that better wages reduced turnover and noting that unions have also funded classes oh to help members better care for clients. so the old system was good for
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workers and the people they take care of oh. >> right. >> why would anyone be against that? >> you know, rev, this is the kind of vested old society perception of women's work. women in the home. women were to stay in the home, care for the elderly, the sick, the disabled. they didn't get paid. as they left the home because they wanted or needed to work to support their families, other forms of care surfaced. obviously we have child care for children. for the sick and the elderly, we developed a system of home health care workers. something kind of innovative was that medicaid could pay a family member so a family member may not have are to go to work. they could stay home and be paid to care for a loved one. that happened in this case. this woman is caring for her son. she said she wants no part of a union.
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she's paid to care for her son. as the day comes when she has to go on the market and hire a home health care worker she should want that person preblgted. she should want that person trained. she should want that person to make a living wage. the national right to work committee got ahold of the cas , pumped it up. it was very sad to watch. >> when you listen, it's almost convenient for republicans to attack unions. listen to some of the rhetoric. >> they said it was impossible to touch the third rail of politics, to take on the public sector unions. >> we are going to deal with collective bargaining for all public employees because unions divide and conquer. >> we'll make it known that they are not needed, not welcome in the state of oh south carolina. [ applause ] >> how do unions fight that kind
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of talk, randi? >> unions started in this country as groups of workers, men and women. ours started to work together to make a better life for themselves, their families and their communities. what we do is we are going back to those kind of first purposes. there is a silver lining. as well as the shelby case from last year. it does show whose side these interests are on. this was not about pam harris. this is about trying to stop balancing power in the united states of america. when unions were strong we had a stronger middle class. our job is to ebb gauge our members and empower members to do the work they want to do which is create a better america.
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rising wages, more requirement security, better schools. so it does actually connect the dots and catalyze us to be there with community and our members to change america. >> what's next, joan, in this fight? >> i think some of the public sector unions are still reading through it and trying to figure out how many workers it will affect. randi said we were lucky that we dodged a bullet. they left the larger sectors untouched. justice elito didn't sound like he thought much of that. he koled it incongruous. everyone is worried this will continue. >> i am worried as one that knows what labor has done. i'm glad you said it was a silver lining. i thought it was lightning.
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thank you both for your time tonight. >> thanks, rev. >> thanks. coming up, why did it happen? why did a toddler die in a hot car? police have some disturbing new revelations tonight about what the parents searched for online. caught on tape. new dash cam video shows a police altercation with a college professor in arizona. the justice file is next.
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thank you for being here. >> thank you, rev. >> we begin tonight in arizona where the arizona state university police department is facing accusations of racial profiling. last month english professor ursula orr was stopped by campus police for jaywalking. she said she was walking in the street to avoid a construction site. an altercation with police ensued. she was charged with aggravated assault. but now, newly released dashboard cam seems to show a disturbing picture. moments before the altercation, the officer, stuart faren, demanded she show her i.d. >> let me see your i.d. or you will be arrested for failing to proare vied i.d. are you serious? >> yes, i am serious. that's the law. if you don't understand the law, i'm explaining the law to you right now.
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you are walking down the middle of the road. >> which i have no problem abiding by the law. all i asked was -- >> let me see your i.d. >> do you have to speak to me in such a manner? >> she was handcuffed by the officer. >> put your hands behind your back. i'm going to slam you on this car. >> do you really want to do that? do you see what i'm wearing? >>i don't care what you're wearing. >> don't talk to me like this. this entire thing is about your lack of respect for me. for me. >> i'm not going to fight you. put your hands behind your back. >> i'm a professor at the university. >> despite her protests, things quickly got violent. >> stop fighting me. put your hands -- >> stop touching me! stop! [ screaming ] >> put your hands behind your back! >> stop! stop! >> peoples passing by on the
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street called 911 to report what was happening. >> 911, what is your emergency? >> hey, i'm on college and 5th street. there is a police officer getting way too aggressive with a young lady who's on the street. >> arizona state university said they found no evidence of inappropriate actions by the school's police officers, but will hire an outside agency to conduct a full review of the incident. faith, should we see action against the police? did they go too far? >> it's shocking to see the video when you are talking about a civil traffic violation that it leads to that kind of action by the police officers. when you look at the transcript and what's happening the professor never actually said she wouldn't provide her i.d. she asked a question and tried the to have a conversation with the officer. that's when he ryed to put her in handcuffs. to me it wasn't about the professor refusing to provide i.d. it was about her questioning his
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authority in his mind. he didn't like that and decided to flex his muscle as a result. >> that's your view of this? >> i'm sorry. michelle. >> sure. i disagree with faith here. first of all, you didn't show the beginning of the tape available online. in the beginning, first of all, where the tape starts we don't really see her walking in the middle of the street. what we hear is some disrespect to her. i think they both look very, very bad. both parties. from the beginning he's asked for her i.d. and the professor is not only not giving i.d. which could have solved this situation. she doesn't identify herself as a professor. until her hands are befind her back. this was never going to end well. she may have felt disrespected. she may have been disrespected. when a police officer is asking for your i.d., if she would have
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given her i.d. and then if he acted the way he acted we would have a different situation. >> she doesn't have to give her i.d. >> whoa, whoa, one at a time. >> you want to avoid confrontation with the police, if you can. in this situation, she didn't have to give her i.d. the reason why he asked is because she was jaywalking. only if she's being detained is she required to give i.d. was she being detained? reasonable to ask a question and have a conversation with the police officer before being required to aprovide an i.d. >> she's a professor. faith, you're a former prosecutor. shouldn't she have known better? give him the i.d.? what's the big deal? she was mad and she didn't like the way he was talking to her. it would have defused the situation if she would have given him her i.d. she didn't do it. >> she was upset because he was being disrespect areful.
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you can understand that. if the police is disrespecting you. >> you're going to lose. >> we're going to keep an eye on this one. you know i'm not going to not follow this one up. let's go to the next case. now to the disturbing new questions about the parents of the 22-month-old boy who died after being left by his father in a hot car. a newly released warrant shows the father admitted to doing internet searches about what temperature would harm a child inside a vehicle. police said the mother made similar statements regarding researching in-car death and how it occurs. police have not said whether her online searches occurred. justin ross harris pled not guilty to charges of murder and child cruelty and continues to be held in jail. he claims he forgot to drop his son off at day care and
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discovered his son's body later in the afternoon. faith, both the mother and father admit to the researching child care deaths. your reaction? >> i don't think it is a coincidence. who searches for that? what's your reason to search for how long it will take a child or animal to die in a car? what's your reason? after that your child ends up dieing in a car because you allegedly forgot him. that's not a coincidence. that will be used as circumstantial evidence. i think to convict his dad of the crime. >> michelle, the father said he was researching it because he was concerned about what could happen to his child in the car. do you buy that? >> this sounds eerily similar to what the prosecution threw out in casey anthony about alleged internet searches, death by asphyxiation and chloroform.
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i don't know. i want to see when the internet searches were done, what was searched, who had access to the computers? if the mom did it after the child died, i understand that. if the father did it before it's strange. is that enough to convict him? no, it's not. >> what do they need the to convict him? >> i think they will need probably more than this. i want to know what conversations he had with the police since then. the police arrested him early on. there have been cases where children have been forgotten in cars and died. police have investigated and the parents haven't been charged. early on the police were suspicious of the dad. i don't think this is the only evidence. the police know when the searches were conducted. was a search done that day? the week that he allegedly forgot his child in the car? that will be key evidence. >> michelle, what do they need to go forward here? >> well, certainly they are going to make a timeline of when
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the child was placed in the car, where he went, when he stopped. they have that information even though you don't intend he could be convicted of child abuse, child neglect. if there is internet searches and they can make some connections here, if you are really then were going to a different step. we are going to something more serious like a premeditation. so i don't know exactly. there's been so little released here. i don't know what we have. >> all right. we'll certainly keep following this one as well. i assure you. michelle suskauer and faith jenkins, thank you for your time tonight. >> thank you. >> still ahead, president obama's tough talk to speaker boehner and the republicans. when you run a business, you can't settle for slow.
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